Posted on: 15 Dec 2023
Updated with additional points (highlighted in blue color)
[Mr. Derik Hahn asked: Dear Swami, I would greatly appreciate if you could elaborate on the first energetic form of God Datta being eternal. If the unimaginable God will retain His First energetic form after each cycle of cosmic dissolution, then how would there ever have been a "first time" when the unimaginable God without form first assumed the First Energetic Form? Wouldn't that mean that there was never a moment throughout all the cycles of cosmic evolution and involution when the unimaginable God did not have his first energetic form? By, Derik Hahn]
Swami replied:- We may not be able to specify the incident on the present time scale, but, still there was a ‘first time’ in which the first energetic incarnation was created by the unimaginable God. A qualitative assumption is possible even though a quantitative calculation is not convenient. Moreover, there is no use of such quantitative calculation. We must concentrate on God, the first energetic incarnation in order to get the grace of God and this point is practically important and useful. The quantitative calculation of such ‘first time’ will not be useful in anyway to the present important practical point. When there is a possibility for qualitative assumption, the quantitative aspect also gains reality based on the same assumption. Practical utility is the guideline of scientific analysis.
February 18, 2024
Swami replied (with additional points):
The same type of question can be put when we say that God created the universe. Before the creation of the universe, there was no space and time is a secondary relative coordinate of space. When space was absent before creation (since space is the first item of creation), there should not have been the concept of time before creation. When the first energetic incarnation was formed, space (subtle energy) and gross energy (used in preparation of the energetic soul and the energetic body of the first energetic incarnation) were created by the unimaginable God. Certainly, the time concept should have evolved along with the appearance of space and gross energy. But, when we are unable to calculate the time of that incident (creation of the first energetic incarnation), we can say that the incident is also beyond the concept of time. The unimaginable God has no concept of time being beyond space. Similarly, the first energetic incarnation can also be treated to be beyond time since time is beyond our capability of calculation. The unimaginable God was non-mediated whereas the first energetic incarnation (God Datta or Father of Heaven) is the mediated (by space and energy) unimaginable God. A naked person in the bathroom is invisible, but when the same person comes out with a towel surrounding the private parts of the body, there is no difference between the two persons since there is only one person actually. There is no change in the unimaginable God except that He is naked or covered by a towel. If you take the first energetic incarnation or father of Heaven, it means that you have taken the unimaginable God Himself with a medium so that the unimaginable God remains unimaginable, but is seen through a visible medium. When time was absent before the creation of the first energetic medium, you cannot say that the unimaginable God is the first God. When the medium of first energetic incarnation was created, we cannot say that the first energetic incarnation is the second God because